NancyWhite 1

INTERESTING people in the ROOM!! WOO HOO!

George Siemens 1

it's cause of Dave

people are concerned about your negativity toward me

NancyWhite 1

Damn social artist!

George Siemens 1

and she is officially awesome

George Siemens 1

external speakers

dave cormier

Cris2B #2

Like the 2 week session idea  

George Siemens 1

i've stunned her into silence

dave cormier

that happens sometimes

christin

J. Lynn Routh

oh, me too

dave cormier

i wonder if she knows her mic is off

Cris2B #2

Stunned sensemaking takes awhile

dave cormier

fair enough

Stephen Downes

Hola

siavogel

Hy Stephen.

George Siemens 1

Dave, you and your naming of everything

George Siemens 1

speak without labels, dave

Jeff #2

From Nancy Tweet: I've lost all my connection to the MOOC room

dave cormier

yup.

Jeffrey Keefer

Hello, Stephen.

George Siemens 1

Dave! you are awesome too

Jeffrey Keefer

Hurray for the calendar. Great idea  

dave cormier

It was Jeffrey's idea

lol

George Siemens 1

And Jeffrey thanks google

Frances Bell

Keeps dropping out and coming back in again

George Siemens 1

and google thanks someone else, i guess

dave cormier

anyone else having dropping problems?

Jeffrey Keefer

Was really not trying to add work, but to aide in communciation  

George Siemens 1

It was a great suggestion, Jeffrey

dave cormier

Giulia is the other... anyone else who wants it... let me know

luisadallacqua

Hi all

George Siemens 1

actually, send him email regardless

just to see how he's doing

NancyWhite 1

I'm back.

Jeffrey Keefer

Dave is the master. Long live the master.

Frances Bell

Hi Jeffrey - thanks for the #ff

NancyWhite 1

I am not a BB fan. Grrr.

Frances Bell

snap @Nancy

George Siemens 1

I've made you moderator Nancy. We are just filling time waiting for your arrival

vhaustudent 3

what a pain to log onto BB! BB wouldn't kept failing on me.

Jibrel Harb

Hello everyody...this is really nice and interesting...that is to have you all here, to listen to you

NancyWhite 1

Thanks. I would agree that BB is a big step down from the old Elluminate. Sheesh.

Jeffrey Keefer

Yes, Nancy, Blackboard is evil - just like big banks, terrorism, and FaceBook.

NancyWhite 1

I want to hear what Howard thinks about social artistry...

Howard Rheingold

Ask me a specific question in that regard, Nancy.

dave cormier

Howard : what do you think of social artistry?  

Howard Rheingold

BTW, I agree that BB is an unsavory company, but Collaborate just works for me. I wish Big Blue Button worked as well.

dave cormier

@howard yeah... we tried

NancyWhite 1

What would be your definition of social artistry?

dave cormier

hurrays!

Jeffrey Keefer

Nancy, did you record that?

ratts

George Siemens 1

I think Howard has been a first teacher for many!

Jeffrey Keefer

Chewbacca

Frances Bell

Nice to see that women are well-represented in social artistry http://www.socialartistryinstitute.org/

Cris2B #2

Have always wondered if "social scientist" should be "social artist" -- prefer arts-based inquiry

NancyWhite 1

hm, interesting to bring out that art/science dichotomy. It doesnt have to be a dichotomy

dave cormier

mmm... beer.

NancyWhite 1

(someone has a stylus!!)

Mark McGuire

The WELL showed that learning is social, that it can happen naturally if we support collaborative communities.

Frances Bell

@NAncy could be Art/Science duality?

Jeffrey Keefer

@Cris2B that would further decrease the work of social scientists in the eyes of the hard sciences, Alas.

Jim Greer

Seems to me social science and social artist are complimentary in the same way many disciplines have both science and art.

Cris2B #2

@Nancy -- exactly; I think digital age has given new opps to erase the false divide between science and art

Stephen Downes

Jim Greer

But it may be through the dialectic that learning occurs

Mark McGuire

A social artist is a Jazz musician with his or her own instrument .

Cris2B #2

talent development, right? W

Jeffrey Keefer

echo

echoecho

echoechoecho

dave cormier

hi irene.

i shut off your audio...   sorry you were echoing

NancyWhite 1

NOT MARKETING. Correct

Stephen Downes

I muted irene because of the echo but would welcome irene's participation

irene

Huh????

Cris2B #2

welcoming and cultivating a space that encourages that "party"

Jeffrey Keefer

Still stuck with this concept of #socialartist; seems too vague for me. How is that different from somebody who facilitates or stewards online discussion and engagement?

Mark

How is social artistry different from community organizing?

Jeffrey Keefer

So, not a person, but a process?

dave cormier

@jeffrey why is vagueness a problem?

Frances Bell

The International Institute for Social Artistry (IISA) is an international teaching/learning community created for the intention of:  Training and supporting Social Artists around the world;  Activating human capacities and creative talents;  Providing training in leadership skills and human potential development; and  Offering research, consultation, leadership and guidance with the aim to advance human development.

J. Lynn Routh

why does it have to be on line?

George Siemens 1

@dave - why isn't vagueness a problem?

Jeffrey Keefer

@Dave, vague is not a problem, but that does not help those of us who don't get it.

Stephen Downes

yeah - that would be me, for example - no social artistry at all

Cris2B #2

Chris Anderson spoke of digital leading to "renaissance of grassroots activism" -- successful activism is an art

Mark

Thanks. So it's more like facilitation then?

J. Lynn Routh

You made me feel "safe" to offer my opinion?

Frances Bell

Maybe social artistry is about the art (and its impact) rather the artist

Cris2B #2

to cultivate the habit of empathy -- to see ourselves in others -- Barrack Obama

NancyWhite 1

Facilitation--> yeah

Mark McGuire

@Nancy re: Being heard- It is about inviting and valuing their voice, in whatever medium they communicate best in?

NancyWhite 1

Creating space for others

Hosting conditions that create engagement. Pauses, space INVITATION!!!

Mark, yes.

It involves paying attention to those around us in a particular way.

Cris2B #2

good luck

Kate Robbins

That's real time, different

George Siemens 1

take your computer with you Dave!

Jeffrey Keefer

Be safe, Dave.

Mark McGuire

I've been watching YouTube videos about how improvised Jazz works (from the perspective of the musicians).

Jeffrey Keefer

Nancy, you are indeed interesting.

Stephen Downes

I like the lable 'fluffy bunny'

Cris2B #2

@Mark -- hmmm improv is all about inviting people to participate -- yes and . . .

Frances Bell

So by being still open - the term invites others to help develop it

Mark McGuire

@Nancy: What medium are you most comfortable in/with? We are always translating between different media.

Jeffrey Keefer

So, is #socialartistry related to critical theory (issues of power and positionality, even that which exists in our minds), this issues of equality and voice?

ines cambiasso

what´s a fluffy bunny?

Stephen Downes

I think the 'artistry' part is more like 'orchestration'

Mark

I like the term. I think it is meaningful.

NancyWhite 1

Oh, this artist NEVER functions in isolation. Interesting!

siavogel

Jeffrey Keefer

@Stephen I tend to think of orchestration as being highly structured.

vhaustudent 3

artist conjures up creativity

Cris2B #2

gee, I never thought of artist as solo

NancyWhite 1

Mark, I'm multimediumboundarycrossermixxerupper

Mark McGuire

@Stephen: Does "orchestration" mean "director ot teacher?

Jeffrey Keefer

Hmm, I always think of an artist working alone.

NancyWhite 1

Oh heck, my brain doesn't work alone. It is pretty stupid as a solo artist.

artist --> artifact that produced or process of production

Mark

Maybe the Italian word Mestiere would work?

NancyWhite 1

the product is engagement

Howard Rheingold

artistRY

Stephen Downes

@Mark no neither I think - there's no authority associated with orchestration

Jeffrey Keefer

But, does an artifact have to have a physical result?

George Siemens 1

can you detail a social artist?

ie example?

Stephen Downes

In my case artistry is solo work - that's why I continue to run a radio station with zero listeners

'Dance like nobody is watching'

Giulia

The TED Talk about JR was such a brilliant example

Jeffrey Keefer

@Stephen, so you do it for yourself?

Cris2B #2

right, could be performance art not visual with emphasis on product

Mark

Zero is good. Add it to another and its always the same.

Stephen Downes

@Jeffrey - I do it because I love working in the medium so much

siavogel

My partner en children are artists and don't function alone...

Mark

Art is always collaborative.

George Siemens 1

@Mark - I disagree. Interpretation can be collaborative

Jeffrey Keefer

@Stephen - exactly why I blog; it helps process my thinking.

Howard Rheingold

Caterina Fake was also a host on electric minds

George Siemens 1

creation can be collaborative and influenced by social processes

Mark McGuire

@Stephen: So more like equal collaboration? A dinner party with 6 people needs no facilitator; a crowd (or large class/group) functions differently. Thinking about how a large MOOC functions vs a smaller OOC.

George Siemens 1

but the act of art, of creativitity, is an isolated activity

Barry D

Zander

Giulia

Zander

yes

Howard Rheingold

Cris2B #2

@Howard thx

Mark McGuire

The Smartest person in the room is the room (forgot reference).

Mark

the creative act is always a response to something. It is not ex nihilo, except for one.

Frances Bell

This book gvies good overview of social aspects of art/ creativity http://www.makingisconnecting.org/ and has knitting in title 

Stephen Downes

@Mark not collaboration - each person acts on his opr her own - but some people act in such a way as to enable other people to do things - that's orchestration

Mark

@Stephen - thanks

Stephen Downes

@nancy - yeah me too

Mark McGuire

Thinking of architects who arranged for buildings to be designed in collaboration with end users, don't claim to have designed the result by themselves.

George Siemens 1

I think most of us here are in the exploring, not telling stage of knowledge devlopment

Cris2B #2

Hey, I blogged about a social artist who created Librarian Wardrobe http://librarianwardrobe.tumblr.com/

Stephen Downes

Even when I have nothing of value to say I still think it's importnat for me to say "I'm worthy of being here"

Frances Bell

I see 'collaboration' is the new 'group'  

Mark

In architecture - universal design?

Howard Rheingold

My mother the art teacher taught permission, not technique

Stephen Downes

@Frances - right. I feel the same way about collaboration as I do about groups

@Howard exactly

Howard Rheingold

She believed that all humans need to express ourselves creatively, but so many of us get shut down when we are young -- "you can't draw a horse that looks like a horse, so you can't be an artist."

Stephen Downes

"Here is what you *can* do" as opposed to "Here is what you *should* do"

ines cambiasso

@Nancy-agree!

Jim Greer

design is certainly science and art both in education and in practice.

Mark McGuire

@Stephen: Ah, catalyst rather than director or teacher with a fixed plan?

vhaustudent 3

so are social artist extroverts?

irene

maybe listening is a great asset?

Stephen Downes

<-- introvert

Jeffrey Keefer

Does a #socialartist require technology?

NancyWhite 1

Jeffrey, if you are doing it online, to some extent, YES

Frances Bell

@irene - I agree 

NancyWhite 1

DOING!

Someone write that name/book here please

Jim Greer

A commentator this morning noted that the Greek monetary meltdown was in part because the science of the economics is overcome by the social, cultural and economics so that scientific prediction is not possible. This suggests that economics, as a social science, should also have an art component (the economic art)

Cris2B #2

@Howard - she and Picasso would have gotten along well   Remembering his quote "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up"

NancyWhite 1

participation/reification

George Siemens 1

@Nancy: book: http://books.google.ca/books/about/Education_and_mind_in_the_knowledge_a...

maybe it's affective

maybe the thing being made is the person

Cris2B #2

@Jim Greer -- Yes! Real world problems require cross discipline thinking. Heck, who created these disciplines anyway? Probably just for school

Mark

In the classroom, social artistry would be to nurtue an autonomous learning community among those in the room?

Jeffrey Keefer

Still struggle with reification as a concept.

Frances Bell

@Jim not every has regarded economics as 'science' - that perception is part of the problem - reification as Nancy is saying

vhaustudent 3

I'm trying graphic recording for the first time and it's forcing me to listen and focus so much better!

Mark McGuire

An author might work alone, but is not intellectually isolated. The collaboration is asynchronous. They may borrow, steal, and reference knowingly or not. Some acknowledge this more than others.

Mark

If economics is science, so is voodoo.

Giulia

@Vhausstudent Yaay! graphic recording ftw

@Mark, yes! exactly, I agree.

George Siemens 1

Dave? Stephen?

Mark

REification is an ugly word.

vhaustudent 3

This may be a point of no return! It's all your fault Nancy!

Frances Bell

I like a little silent interlude

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy Why do you think that this week's discussions have to be related to improving your work?

Cris2B #2

graphic facilitation? or recording? interesting difference

Giulia

facilitation is VERY different than recording

Mark McGuire

@Nancy: I make a point of thanking people on Flickr for their CC images that I use on my blog. It has sometimes initiated great conversations.

NancyWhite 1

Mark, exactly

maybe this is the 30 minute stretch

Cris2B #2

I'd like to hear more about graphic facilitation

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy That seems to not allow for reflective practice or thinking / internal improvement as its own reward.

NancyWhite 1

@Jeffrey, why is that not reflective?

(confused)

Mark McGuire

The creation and use of OERs lacks the crucial social component as part of the practice of sharing.

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy - I understood your comment to mean improving your practice (tangible) rather than perceiving in a more complete or open way (intangible)

Deirdre Black

This is such a fabulous exchange and I'm so sad to have to leave for work. Thanks

dave cormier

you kinda are.

she's influenced me in that way

siavogel

By @Deirdre

Giulia

@Nancy you are skilled at overthrowing small countries

dave cormier

giving people the confidence to be unsure.

Mark McGuire

Switching between text chat, screen, and audio is difficult. These tools (Blackboard Collaborate) are not what they need to be. We need more fluid tools that are in keeping with our fluid thinking.

dave cormier

@mark good luck with that.

@mark i've been looking for years

Cris2B #2

What is essential is invisible to the eye. Antoine de Saint Exupery -

Howard Rheingold

@Mark I have seen groups use this same tool really well. It can be a matter of roles and collaborative tasks, not just the platform

Frances Bell

@Nancy - you are very good at acknowledging and validating people - you commented on an early bog post of mine and it was a great encouragement.

oops - blog post 

NancyWhite 1

@Stephen -- BINGO... how we see ourselves and how the world see us.

Jeffrey Keefer

We don't see you, Stephen.

Mark McGuire

@Dave (BTW, I see U re "attending" the OERu meeting next week).

Cris2B #2

@Nancy -- did you embrace social artist because you think it describes what you do so well in your mind?

Howard Rheingold

Gotta go. Bye folks. Thanks, Nancy

siavogel

By @Howard.

Rosa Ojeda

@Nancy... thanks for making that distinction...

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy, join the club

Cris2B #2

ahhhh   yes, thx

Cris2B #2

no way   speechless?

NancyWhite 1

yup. A bit emotional too.

Giulia

I think the term Social Artist is a beautiful term and I think it absolutely fits what Nancy does as a master facilitator.

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy part of the challenge is a contemporary emphasis on desiring to create clear objectives and then measure measure measure

Mark McGuire

Artists are probes (McLuhan) or Trailblazers (Vannever Bush). Social artists practice this in social space; in the Open.

Stephen Downes

yeah I like that too

J. Lynn Routh

I like the term because it reflects the creative nature of working together.

Cris2B #2

@Giulia -- that's why in part it resonated so much to me. I could see the concept in action via Nancy

vhaustudent 3

so are mentors social artists?

NancyWhite 1

Your comments are resonating. I'm nodding to all of you

Giulia

I think we are lucky to be surrounded by a variety of social artists

NancyWhite 1

thanks, Dave

Jeffrey Keefer

echo

echoecho

Giulia

Nancy is one of the best

NancyWhite 1

(OK, now I'm really embarassed)

Mark McGuire

Maybe social artists are the catalysts in the ecosystem that trigger constructive change.

ines cambiasso

@Nancy-those who know you reflect who you are to the world, like a mirror

Giulia

Like facilitation, sometimes it is not highly visible. I think that's been said already.

dave cormier

it's stephen

i muted him  

Giulia

(sorry Nancy)

Cris2B #2

@dave thx  

Giulia

don't mean to embarrass you  

dave cormier

 

NancyWhite 1

comfort with vagueness!

ines cambiasso

this is creating thought as we go along?

dave cormier

define these emotions!

Stephen Downes

12% engagement, 20% puzzlement, 3% hunger, 14%interestedness 16%anticipation...

Mark

Yes. So a social artist needs to cultivate empathy. Some are better at this than others.

Cris2B #2

Is there a difference between social artist as someone who "creates social space for learning" or social artists create space “where people engage with each other and feel listened to and heard.”

John

Creating openings for multiple potential participants is a rare skill, not practiced sufficiently by teachers

Mark McGuire

@Giulia Good point. Good facilitation/teaching is an art practiced by people who may not think of themselves as artists. It is an art that requires Emotional Intelligence (IQ). To some, it comes naturally. The rest of us can learn it by watching closely.

Stephen Downes

we need talking in a audio medium, otherwise we have dead air

George Siemens 1

or in a more mechanical way

Cris2B #2

no, he's tv

Stephen Downes

charles who?

Cris2B #2

maybe Ira Glass

John

Kerault is correct

Stephen Downes

Don't get CBS here in the great white nort5h

Frances Bell

Yes - silence is permission to think and others to come in and start speaking

Jeffrey Keefer

Not Ira, but seeing Philip Glass tonight!

Giulia

So comfort with discomfort, chaos, silence, uncertainty and the ability to provide a space where that can be okay.

Cris2B #2

@Jeffrey -- so cool; enjoy

Stephen Downes

No longer on air

NancyWhite 1

Thanks, that's the guy. Audio artist

Cris2B #2

@Jeffrey -- they're related, you know

Mark McGuire

Good sound designers (say, for film) understand that non-diagetic sound (not illustrated by anything on the screen) invites the listener/viewer in - you have to engage to make sense of what is going on. This is also the power of the Question - it requires engagement.

Jeffrey Keefer

@Cris very small world, ehh? I very much prefer the composer.

Stephen Downes

is there an index of social artistry brushstrokes

Stephen Downes

?

Cris2B #2

@Jeffrey -- huge Ira fan here  

Giulia

@stephen hard to measure magic

John

Nancy -- how but the xy move that sometimes gets quiet people to talk -- to all, to their partner, or to write for a moment to the chat channel

Frances Bell

Learnign is for everyone - not province of 'experts' - baies do it best

NancyWhite 1

sorry I talked over ya, Stephen

Jeffrey Keefer

@Nancy Can you run that teachnig and learning / artist relationship again?

NancyWhite 1

Yes, ask my granddaugher

Jeffrey Keefer

Teaching does not require artistry; it may help, though is not required or needed. Depends on many other factors.

siavogel

Good nurses are artists too, some people say... Are there any artists, just artists, in this room on the moment?

Gil

Is artistry a complex skill? Yes. So why not include artistry as an academically accepted behavior? It's a cluster of behaviors acting in symphony and not in isolation.

NancyWhite 1

Ah, but I think teaching does require some degree of artistry. This is helping me understand my poor clarity over the term artist

Mark

@Jeffery I think teaching does require artistry if your object is learning./

Jeffrey Keefer

Ahh, this seems to be coming down to boundary pushing of definitions.

Cris2B #2

William Purkey of "School and Self-Concept" used to say that every professional can be an artist

Giulia

sorry gotta run. this was awesome!

luisrafaelamario

Hi you all!! greetings from Barinas, venezuela

NancyWhite 1

Hi Luis!

J_Knox

cant artistry always be redefined and redefined, isnt that being creative?

Gil

Yes. I agree. There is the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Jeffrey Keefer

@Stephen Now that is indeed consultant-speak!

@Mark Why?

John

Could definition be a 'post-mortem' that reanimates access to an idea that has cooled in the discussion?

NancyWhite 1

The difference between thinking about and doing, enacting and living the ideas?

NancyWhite 1

\John, interesting!

Cris2B #2

by defining or at least trying to -- you can then work toward making it intentional

Frances Bell

@ Gil - I prefer 'the whole is different from the sum of the parts' - could be more or less

NancyWhite 1

I want to get away from "this piece of art"

Mark

@Jeffery - because teaching is not the transfer of knowledge. It is the nurturing of emergent skills.

ines cambiasso

@Mark- I like that

Mark McGuire

@Howard Rheingold "I have seen groups use this same tool really well." Maybe it's a case of each doing what they do best and helping others out as needed. I suppose there is no on stool that would suit everyone.

Cris2B #2

@Mark -- I like that. Also like teaching as cultivating of talent

dave cormier

uh-oh. here we go. stephen v. george. round 37

NancyWhite 1

OK< we need a reflective moment. New white board. What question are we walking away with this week? (questions)

Gil

"to kill it" suggests a psychological term of paradoxical intention. Sort of like what Stephen is talking about.

siavogel

On the moment in The Netherlands it seems anybody can teach and can nurse old people, I don"t think this is right. So it also is not accepteble to me to say educators are artists.

John

Defining an electron 'badly' opened up for me the wave/particple/possibiltiy awesomness

Jeffrey Keefer

@Mark that seems to broaden the concept of an artist to be so broad that it could include anything?

irene

@siavogel, does artis sound less to you?

Jeffrey Keefer

Rounds?

Mark McGuire

@Stephen: Re: electrons as clouds of possibility: We are coming up against the limitations of language. Sometimes other means of expression are needed (video, dance, music, etc.).

Jeffrey Keefer

#socialartist -- WIIFM?

siavogel

No, @Irene, not at all. My family are artists that's why I comment this way.

ines cambiasso

the pleasure of having listened to grat minds! Awesome!

Rosa Ojeda

that was great music!!!

George Siemens 1

 

Stephen steps up with the tunes

Mark

@Jeffery - perhaps the core is the false dichotomy between art and science?

Gil

How important is peer reviewed vs self-constructed knowledge when defining "truth"?

NancyWhite 1

Lovely. Thanks. Just perfect

George Siemens 1

@Gil - a massive question

Jeffrey Keefer

Is that Bjork?

Stephen Downes

 

Mark

I'm hearing Canadian folk music?

Stephen Downes

Jenn Grant - local east oast artist

east coast artist

Cris2B #2

Not Phillip Glass  

Jeffrey Keefer

@Stephen I always liked Canada

J. Lynn Routh

I can't get my whiteboard writing tool to work--Why did It take me so long to find these people?

Mark

Canada is nice in August. Take a parka.

Gil

@george: Nancy has done a good job of both whittling the question down and expanding the possibilities beyond my capability. Thanks Nancy...

Jeffrey Keefer

@Cris True, no Satyagraha here to be sure.

luisrafaelamario

You are right Stephen, we certainly need to look for and use different means of expressions

NancyWhite 1

Ah... do you want the pen for drawing or writing, @J Lynn?

ines cambiasso

what instrument is being used?

Stephen Downes

violins mostly

Cris2B #2

@ines -- A for the text?

NancyWhite 1

You can click on the little pen to the left of the white board to draw, the A to type text. Color choices abound.

ines cambiasso

sound strange here

Jeffrey Keefer

I want to hear more about that interloper as on the white board, as I am wondering if there is such as thing as disrupting a MOOC given its open structure.

Gil

Great music by the way...

Stephen Downes

yeah I enjoy jenn granbt

vhaustudent 3

can't wait to dive into my markers to dress up my notes!

Jeffrey Keefer

Cool.

Cris2B #2

lovely. thx

Stephen Downes

cool  

Cris2B #2

thx Stephen

ines cambiasso

i loved it

Jeff #2

 

DJ Stevy D at work

NancyWhite 1

 

Silent exit... quietly tip toeing back to the corner.

ines cambiasso

 

thank you Nancy

- surfthinker joined the Main Room. (  ) -

Frances Bell

 

thanks Nancy

siavogel

 

Thanks all. Bye.

Jeffrey Keefer

 

Bye Sia

- Frances Bell left the Main Room. (  ) -

Cris2B #2

 

thanks for shaking things up, Nancy

NancyWhite 1

Obrigada for inviting me. That INVITATION thing!!

Mark

Thanks Nancy.

Sheena

Thanks for all of your time this week Nancy and to the guys for bringing us together!

irene

Thanks Nancy, you really are speaking from the heart, that's where I think the most learning lies (for you and for others)!

John

I found you folks by accident today -- please post link to rejoin you later

Jeffrey Keefer

Thanks, Nancy. Quite engaging.

Remember, drinks are on me!

- Gil left the Main Room. (  ) -

- Raymond @Edmonton, AB left the Main Room. (  ) -

vhaustudent 3

thanks Nancy!

 

 

Thanks..I will check this session recording !. Tah^s for sure!