Friday Chat with Nancy White - Change11 Week#8

 

 

Nancy White and the Change11 crew reflect on
Social Artistry and Week#8 of Change 11
http://change.mooc.ca/week08.htm

Viewable chat starts around 8:30

Video Archive: archive.org/details/Change11Week8-FridayChatWithNancyWhite

Audio Archive: archive.org/details/Change11Week8-FridayChatWithNancyWhite_703

 

Chat Log Below

 

 
NancyWhite 1
INTERESTING people in the ROOM!! WOO HOO!
George Siemens 1
it's cause of Dave
people are concerned about your negativity toward me
NancyWhite 1
Damn social artist!
George Siemens 1
and she is officially awesome
George Siemens 1
external speakers
dave cormier
Cris2B #2
Like the 2 week session idea  
George Siemens 1
i've stunned her into silence
dave cormier
that happens sometimes
christin
J. Lynn Routh
oh, me too
dave cormier
i wonder if she knows her mic is off
Cris2B #2
Stunned sensemaking takes awhile
dave cormier
fair enough
Stephen Downes
Hola
siavogel
Hy Stephen.
George Siemens 1
Dave, you and your naming of everything
George Siemens 1
speak without labels, dave
Jeff #2
From Nancy Tweet: I've lost all my connection to the MOOC room
dave cormier
yup.
Jeffrey Keefer
Hello, Stephen.
George Siemens 1
Dave! you are awesome too
Jeffrey Keefer
Hurray for the calendar. Great idea  
dave cormier
It was Jeffrey's idea
lol
George Siemens 1
And Jeffrey thanks google
Frances Bell
Keeps dropping out and coming back in again
George Siemens 1
and google thanks someone else, i guess
dave cormier
anyone else having dropping problems?
Jeffrey Keefer
Was really not trying to add work, but to aide in communciation  
George Siemens 1
It was a great suggestion, Jeffrey
dave cormier
Giulia is the other... anyone else who wants it... let me know
luisadallacqua
Hi all
George Siemens 1
actually, send him email regardless
just to see how he's doing
NancyWhite 1
I'm back.
Jeffrey Keefer
Dave is the master. Long live the master.
Frances Bell
Hi Jeffrey - thanks for the #ff
NancyWhite 1
I am not a BB fan. Grrr.
Frances Bell
snap @Nancy
George Siemens 1
I've made you moderator Nancy. We are just filling time waiting for your arrival
vhaustudent 3
what a pain to log onto BB! BB wouldn't kept failing on me.
Jibrel Harb
Hello everyody...this is really nice and interesting...that is to have you all here, to listen to you
NancyWhite 1
Thanks. I would agree that BB is a big step down from the old Elluminate. Sheesh.
Jeffrey Keefer
Yes, Nancy, Blackboard is evil - just like big banks, terrorism, and FaceBook.
NancyWhite 1
I want to hear what Howard thinks about social artistry...
Howard Rheingold
Ask me a specific question in that regard, Nancy.
dave cormier
Howard : what do you think of social artistry?  
Howard Rheingold
BTW, I agree that BB is an unsavory company, but Collaborate just works for me. I wish Big Blue Button worked as well.
dave cormier
@howard yeah... we tried
NancyWhite 1
What would be your definition of social artistry?
dave cormier
hurrays!
Jeffrey Keefer
Nancy, did you record that?
ratts
George Siemens 1
I think Howard has been a first teacher for many!
Jeffrey Keefer
Chewbacca
Frances Bell
Nice to see that women are well-represented in social artistry http://www.socialartistryinstitute.org/
Cris2B #2
Have always wondered if "social scientist" should be "social artist" -- prefer arts-based inquiry
NancyWhite 1
hm, interesting to bring out that art/science dichotomy. It doesnt have to be a dichotomy
dave cormier
mmm... beer.
NancyWhite 1
(someone has a stylus!!)
Mark McGuire
The WELL showed that learning is social, that it can happen naturally if we support collaborative communities.
Frances Bell
@NAncy could be Art/Science duality?
Jeffrey Keefer
@Cris2B that would further decrease the work of social scientists in the eyes of the hard sciences, Alas.
Jim Greer
Seems to me social science and social artist are complimentary in the same way many disciplines have both science and art.
Cris2B #2
@Nancy -- exactly; I think digital age has given new opps to erase the false divide between science and art
Stephen Downes
Jim Greer
But it may be through the dialectic that learning occurs
Mark McGuire
A social artist is a Jazz musician with his or her own instrument .
Cris2B #2
talent development, right? W
Jeffrey Keefer
echo
echoecho
echoechoecho
dave cormier
hi irene.
i shut off your audio...   sorry you were echoing
NancyWhite 1
NOT MARKETING. Correct
Stephen Downes
I muted irene because of the echo but would welcome irene's participation
irene
Huh????
Cris2B #2
welcoming and cultivating a space that encourages that "party"
Jeffrey Keefer
Still stuck with this concept of #socialartist; seems too vague for me. How is that different from somebody who facilitates or stewards online discussion and engagement?
Mark
How is social artistry different from community organizing?
Jeffrey Keefer
So, not a person, but a process?
dave cormier
@jeffrey why is vagueness a problem?
Frances Bell
The International Institute for Social Artistry (IISA) is an international teaching/learning community created for the intention of:  Training and supporting Social Artists around the world;  Activating human capacities and creative talents;  Providing training in leadership skills and human potential development; and  Offering research, consultation, leadership and guidance with the aim to advance human development.
J. Lynn Routh
why does it have to be on line?
George Siemens 1
@dave - why isn't vagueness a problem?
Jeffrey Keefer
@Dave, vague is not a problem, but that does not help those of us who don't get it.
Stephen Downes
yeah - that would be me, for example - no social artistry at all
Cris2B #2
Chris Anderson spoke of digital leading to "renaissance of grassroots activism" -- successful activism is an art
Mark
Thanks. So it's more like facilitation then?
J. Lynn Routh
You made me feel "safe" to offer my opinion?
Frances Bell
Maybe social artistry is about the art (and its impact) rather the artist
Cris2B #2
to cultivate the habit of empathy -- to see ourselves in others -- Barrack Obama
NancyWhite 1
Facilitation--> yeah
Mark McGuire
@Nancy re: Being heard- It is about inviting and valuing their voice, in whatever medium they communicate best in?
NancyWhite 1
Creating space for others
Hosting conditions that create engagement. Pauses, space INVITATION!!!
Mark, yes.
It involves paying attention to those around us in a particular way.
Cris2B #2
good luck
Kate Robbins
That's real time, different
George Siemens 1
take your computer with you Dave!
Jeffrey Keefer
Be safe, Dave.
Mark McGuire
I've been watching YouTube videos about how improvised Jazz works (from the perspective of the musicians).
Jeffrey Keefer
Nancy, you are indeed interesting.
Stephen Downes
I like the lable 'fluffy bunny'
Cris2B #2
@Mark -- hmmm improv is all about inviting people to participate -- yes and . . .
Frances Bell
So by being still open - the term invites others to help develop it
Mark McGuire
@Nancy: What medium are you most comfortable in/with? We are always translating between different media.
Jeffrey Keefer
So, is #socialartistry related to critical theory (issues of power and positionality, even that which exists in our minds), this issues of equality and voice?
ines cambiasso
what´s a fluffy bunny?
Stephen Downes
I think the 'artistry' part is more like 'orchestration'
Mark
I like the term. I think it is meaningful.
NancyWhite 1
Oh, this artist NEVER functions in isolation. Interesting!
siavogel
Jeffrey Keefer
@Stephen I tend to think of orchestration as being highly structured.
vhaustudent 3
artist conjures up creativity
Cris2B #2
gee, I never thought of artist as solo
NancyWhite 1
Mark, I'm multimediumboundarycrossermixxerupper
Mark McGuire
@Stephen: Does "orchestration" mean "director ot teacher?
Jeffrey Keefer
Hmm, I always think of an artist working alone.
NancyWhite 1
Oh heck, my brain doesn't work alone. It is pretty stupid as a solo artist.
artist --> artifact that produced or process of production
Mark
Maybe the Italian word Mestiere would work?
NancyWhite 1
the product is engagement
Howard Rheingold
artistRY
Stephen Downes
@Mark no neither I think - there's no authority associated with orchestration
Jeffrey Keefer
But, does an artifact have to have a physical result?
George Siemens 1
can you detail a social artist?
ie example?
Stephen Downes
In my case artistry is solo work - that's why I continue to run a radio station with zero listeners
'Dance like nobody is watching'
Giulia
The TED Talk about JR was such a brilliant example
Jeffrey Keefer
@Stephen, so you do it for yourself?
Cris2B #2
right, could be performance art not visual with emphasis on product
Mark
Zero is good. Add it to another and its always the same.
Stephen Downes
@Jeffrey - I do it because I love working in the medium so much
siavogel
My partner en children are artists and don't function alone...
Mark
Art is always collaborative.
George Siemens 1
@Mark - I disagree. Interpretation can be collaborative
Jeffrey Keefer
@Stephen - exactly why I blog; it helps process my thinking.
Howard Rheingold
Caterina Fake was also a host on electric minds
George Siemens 1
creation can be collaborative and influenced by social processes
Mark McGuire
@Stephen: So more like equal collaboration? A dinner party with 6 people needs no facilitator; a crowd (or large class/group) functions differently. Thinking about how a large MOOC functions vs a smaller OOC.
George Siemens 1
but the act of art, of creativitity, is an isolated activity
Barry D
Zander
Giulia
Zander
yes
Howard Rheingold
Cris2B #2
@Howard thx
Mark McGuire
The Smartest person in the room is the room (forgot reference).
Mark
the creative act is always a response to something. It is not ex nihilo, except for one.
Frances Bell
This book gvies good overview of social aspects of art/ creativity http://www.makingisconnecting.org/ and has knitting in title 
Stephen Downes
@Mark not collaboration - each person acts on his opr her own - but some people act in such a way as to enable other people to do things - that's orchestration
Mark
@Stephen - thanks
Stephen Downes
@nancy - yeah me too
Mark McGuire
Thinking of architects who arranged for buildings to be designed in collaboration with end users, don't claim to have designed the result by themselves.
George Siemens 1
I think most of us here are in the exploring, not telling stage of knowledge devlopment
Cris2B #2
Hey, I blogged about a social artist who created Librarian Wardrobe http://librarianwardrobe.tumblr.com/
Stephen Downes
Even when I have nothing of value to say I still think it's importnat for me to say "I'm worthy of being here"
Frances Bell
I see 'collaboration' is the new 'group'  
Mark
In architecture - universal design?
Howard Rheingold
My mother the art teacher taught permission, not technique
Stephen Downes
@Frances - right. I feel the same way about collaboration as I do about groups
@Howard exactly
Howard Rheingold
She believed that all humans need to express ourselves creatively, but so many of us get shut down when we are young -- "you can't draw a horse that looks like a horse, so you can't be an artist."
Stephen Downes
"Here is what you *can* do" as opposed to "Here is what you *should* do"
ines cambiasso
@Nancy-agree!
Jim Greer
design is certainly science and art both in education and in practice.
Mark McGuire
@Stephen: Ah, catalyst rather than director or teacher with a fixed plan?
vhaustudent 3
so are social artist extroverts?
irene
maybe listening is a great asset?
Stephen Downes
<-- introvert
Jeffrey Keefer
Does a #socialartist require technology?
NancyWhite 1
Jeffrey, if you are doing it online, to some extent, YES
Frances Bell
@irene - I agree 
NancyWhite 1
DOING!
Someone write that name/book here please
Jim Greer
A commentator this morning noted that the Greek monetary meltdown was in part because the science of the economics is overcome by the social, cultural and economics so that scientific prediction is not possible. This suggests that economics, as a social science, should also have an art component (the economic art)
Cris2B #2
@Howard - she and Picasso would have gotten along well   Remembering his quote "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up"
NancyWhite 1
participation/reification
George Siemens 1
maybe it's affective
maybe the thing being made is the person
Cris2B #2
@Jim Greer -- Yes! Real world problems require cross discipline thinking. Heck, who created these disciplines anyway? Probably just for school
Mark
In the classroom, social artistry would be to nurtue an autonomous learning community among those in the room?
Jeffrey Keefer
Still struggle with reification as a concept.
Frances Bell
@Jim not every has regarded economics as 'science' - that perception is part of the problem - reification as Nancy is saying
vhaustudent 3
I'm trying graphic recording for the first time and it's forcing me to listen and focus so much better!
Mark McGuire
An author might work alone, but is not intellectually isolated. The collaboration is asynchronous. They may borrow, steal, and reference knowingly or not. Some acknowledge this more than others.
Mark
If economics is science, so is voodoo.
Giulia
@Vhausstudent Yaay! graphic recording ftw
@Mark, yes! exactly, I agree.
George Siemens 1
Dave? Stephen?
Mark
REification is an ugly word.
vhaustudent 3
This may be a point of no return! It's all your fault Nancy!
Frances Bell
I like a little silent interlude
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy Why do you think that this week's discussions have to be related to improving your work?
Cris2B #2
graphic facilitation? or recording? interesting difference
Giulia
facilitation is VERY different than recording
Mark McGuire
@Nancy: I make a point of thanking people on Flickr for their CC images that I use on my blog. It has sometimes initiated great conversations.
NancyWhite 1
Mark, exactly
maybe this is the 30 minute stretch
Cris2B #2
I'd like to hear more about graphic facilitation
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy That seems to not allow for reflective practice or thinking / internal improvement as its own reward.
NancyWhite 1
@Jeffrey, why is that not reflective?
(confused)
Mark McGuire
The creation and use of OERs lacks the crucial social component as part of the practice of sharing.
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy - I understood your comment to mean improving your practice (tangible) rather than perceiving in a more complete or open way (intangible)
Deirdre Black
This is such a fabulous exchange and I'm so sad to have to leave for work. Thanks
dave cormier
you kinda are.
she's influenced me in that way
siavogel
By @Deirdre
Giulia
@Nancy you are skilled at overthrowing small countries
dave cormier
giving people the confidence to be unsure.
Mark McGuire
Switching between text chat, screen, and audio is difficult. These tools (Blackboard Collaborate) are not what they need to be. We need more fluid tools that are in keeping with our fluid thinking.
dave cormier
@mark good luck with that.
@mark i've been looking for years
Cris2B #2
What is essential is invisible to the eye. Antoine de Saint Exupery -
Howard Rheingold
@Mark I have seen groups use this same tool really well. It can be a matter of roles and collaborative tasks, not just the platform
Frances Bell
@Nancy - you are very good at acknowledging and validating people - you commented on an early bog post of mine and it was a great encouragement.
oops - blog post 
NancyWhite 1
@Stephen -- BINGO... how we see ourselves and how the world see us.
Jeffrey Keefer
We don't see you, Stephen.
Mark McGuire
@Dave (BTW, I see U re "attending" the OERu meeting next week).
Cris2B #2
@Nancy -- did you embrace social artist because you think it describes what you do so well in your mind?
Howard Rheingold
Gotta go. Bye folks. Thanks, Nancy
siavogel
By @Howard.
Rosa Ojeda
@Nancy... thanks for making that distinction...
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy, join the club
Cris2B #2
ahhhh   yes, thx
Cris2B #2
no way   speechless?
NancyWhite 1
yup. A bit emotional too.
Giulia
I think the term Social Artist is a beautiful term and I think it absolutely fits what Nancy does as a master facilitator.
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy part of the challenge is a contemporary emphasis on desiring to create clear objectives and then measure measure measure
Mark McGuire
Artists are probes (McLuhan) or Trailblazers (Vannever Bush). Social artists practice this in social space; in the Open.
Stephen Downes
yeah I like that too
J. Lynn Routh
I like the term because it reflects the creative nature of working together.
Cris2B #2
@Giulia -- that's why in part it resonated so much to me. I could see the concept in action via Nancy
vhaustudent 3
so are mentors social artists?
NancyWhite 1
Your comments are resonating. I'm nodding to all of you
Giulia
I think we are lucky to be surrounded by a variety of social artists
NancyWhite 1
thanks, Dave
Jeffrey Keefer
echo
echoecho
Giulia
Nancy is one of the best
NancyWhite 1
(OK, now I'm really embarassed)
Mark McGuire
Maybe social artists are the catalysts in the ecosystem that trigger constructive change.
ines cambiasso
@Nancy-those who know you reflect who you are to the world, like a mirror
Giulia
Like facilitation, sometimes it is not highly visible. I think that's been said already.
dave cormier
it's stephen
i muted him  
Giulia
(sorry Nancy)
Cris2B #2
@dave thx  
Giulia
don't mean to embarrass you  
dave cormier
 
NancyWhite 1
comfort with vagueness!
ines cambiasso
this is creating thought as we go along?
dave cormier
define these emotions!
Stephen Downes
12% engagement, 20% puzzlement, 3% hunger, 14%interestedness 16%anticipation...
Mark
Yes. So a social artist needs to cultivate empathy. Some are better at this than others.
Cris2B #2
Is there a difference between social artist as someone who "creates social space for learning" or social artists create space “where people engage with each other and feel listened to and heard.”
John
Creating openings for multiple potential participants is a rare skill, not practiced sufficiently by teachers
Mark McGuire
@Giulia Good point. Good facilitation/teaching is an art practiced by people who may not think of themselves as artists. It is an art that requires Emotional Intelligence (IQ). To some, it comes naturally. The rest of us can learn it by watching closely.
Stephen Downes
we need talking in a audio medium, otherwise we have dead air
George Siemens 1
or in a more mechanical way
Cris2B #2
no, he's tv
Stephen Downes
charles who?
Cris2B #2
maybe Ira Glass
John
Kerault is correct
Stephen Downes
Don't get CBS here in the great white nort5h
Frances Bell
Yes - silence is permission to think and others to come in and start speaking
Jeffrey Keefer
Not Ira, but seeing Philip Glass tonight!
Giulia
So comfort with discomfort, chaos, silence, uncertainty and the ability to provide a space where that can be okay.
Cris2B #2
@Jeffrey -- so cool; enjoy
Stephen Downes
No longer on air
NancyWhite 1
Thanks, that's the guy. Audio artist
Cris2B #2
@Jeffrey -- they're related, you know
Mark McGuire
Good sound designers (say, for film) understand that non-diagetic sound (not illustrated by anything on the screen) invites the listener/viewer in - you have to engage to make sense of what is going on. This is also the power of the Question - it requires engagement.
Jeffrey Keefer
@Cris very small world, ehh? I very much prefer the composer.
Stephen Downes
is there an index of social artistry brushstrokes
Stephen Downes
?
Cris2B #2
@Jeffrey -- huge Ira fan here  
Giulia
@stephen hard to measure magic
John
Nancy -- how but the xy move that sometimes gets quiet people to talk -- to all, to their partner, or to write for a moment to the chat channel
Frances Bell
Learnign is for everyone - not province of 'experts' - baies do it best
NancyWhite 1
sorry I talked over ya, Stephen
Jeffrey Keefer
@Nancy Can you run that teachnig and learning / artist relationship again?
NancyWhite 1
Yes, ask my granddaugher
Jeffrey Keefer
Teaching does not require artistry; it may help, though is not required or needed. Depends on many other factors.
siavogel
Good nurses are artists too, some people say... Are there any artists, just artists, in this room on the moment?
Gil
Is artistry a complex skill? Yes. So why not include artistry as an academically accepted behavior? It's a cluster of behaviors acting in symphony and not in isolation.
NancyWhite 1
Ah, but I think teaching does require some degree of artistry. This is helping me understand my poor clarity over the term artist
Mark
@Jeffery I think teaching does require artistry if your object is learning./
Jeffrey Keefer
Ahh, this seems to be coming down to boundary pushing of definitions.
Cris2B #2
William Purkey of "School and Self-Concept" used to say that every professional can be an artist
Giulia
sorry gotta run. this was awesome!
luisrafaelamario
Hi you all!! greetings from Barinas, venezuela
NancyWhite 1
Hi Luis!
J_Knox
cant artistry always be redefined and redefined, isnt that being creative?
Gil
Yes. I agree. There is the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Jeffrey Keefer
@Stephen Now that is indeed consultant-speak!
@Mark Why?
John
Could definition be a 'post-mortem' that reanimates access to an idea that has cooled in the discussion?
NancyWhite 1
The difference between thinking about and doing, enacting and living the ideas?
NancyWhite 1
\John, interesting!
Cris2B #2
by defining or at least trying to -- you can then work toward making it intentional
Frances Bell
@ Gil - I prefer 'the whole is different from the sum of the parts' - could be more or less
NancyWhite 1
I want to get away from "this piece of art"
Mark
@Jeffery - because teaching is not the transfer of knowledge. It is the nurturing of emergent skills.
ines cambiasso
@Mark- I like that
Mark McGuire
@Howard Rheingold "I have seen groups use this same tool really well." Maybe it's a case of each doing what they do best and helping others out as needed. I suppose there is no on stool that would suit everyone.
Cris2B #2
@Mark -- I like that. Also like teaching as cultivating of talent
dave cormier
uh-oh. here we go. stephen v. george. round 37
NancyWhite 1
OK< we need a reflective moment. New white board. What question are we walking away with this week? (questions)
Gil
"to kill it" suggests a psychological term of paradoxical intention. Sort of like what Stephen is talking about.
siavogel
On the moment in The Netherlands it seems anybody can teach and can nurse old people, I don"t think this is right. So it also is not accepteble to me to say educators are artists.
John
Defining an electron 'badly' opened up for me the wave/particple/possibiltiy awesomness
Jeffrey Keefer
@Mark that seems to broaden the concept of an artist to be so broad that it could include anything?
irene
@siavogel, does artis sound less to you?
Jeffrey Keefer
Rounds?
Mark McGuire
@Stephen: Re: electrons as clouds of possibility: We are coming up against the limitations of language. Sometimes other means of expression are needed (video, dance, music, etc.).
Jeffrey Keefer
#socialartist -- WIIFM?
siavogel
No, @Irene, not at all. My family are artists that's why I comment this way.
ines cambiasso
the pleasure of having listened to grat minds! Awesome!
Rosa Ojeda
that was great music!!!
George Siemens 1
 
Stephen steps up with the tunes
Mark
@Jeffery - perhaps the core is the false dichotomy between art and science?
Gil
How important is peer reviewed vs self-constructed knowledge when defining "truth"?
NancyWhite 1
Lovely. Thanks. Just perfect
George Siemens 1
@Gil - a massive question
Jeffrey Keefer
Is that Bjork?
Stephen Downes
 
Mark
I'm hearing Canadian folk music?
Stephen Downes
Jenn Grant - local east oast artist
east coast artist
Cris2B #2
Not Phillip Glass  
Jeffrey Keefer
@Stephen I always liked Canada
J. Lynn Routh
I can't get my whiteboard writing tool to work--Why did It take me so long to find these people?
Mark
Canada is nice in August. Take a parka.
Gil
@george: Nancy has done a good job of both whittling the question down and expanding the possibilities beyond my capability. Thanks Nancy...
Jeffrey Keefer
@Cris True, no Satyagraha here to be sure.
luisrafaelamario
You are right Stephen, we certainly need to look for and use different means of expressions
NancyWhite 1
Ah... do you want the pen for drawing or writing, @J Lynn?
ines cambiasso
what instrument is being used?
Stephen Downes
violins mostly
Cris2B #2
@ines -- A for the text?
NancyWhite 1
You can click on the little pen to the left of the white board to draw, the A to type text. Color choices abound.
ines cambiasso
sound strange here
Jeffrey Keefer
I want to hear more about that interloper as on the white board, as I am wondering if there is such as thing as disrupting a MOOC given its open structure.
Gil
Great music by the way...
Stephen Downes
yeah I enjoy jenn granbt
vhaustudent 3
can't wait to dive into my markers to dress up my notes!
Jeffrey Keefer
Cool.
Cris2B #2
lovely. thx
Stephen Downes
cool  
Cris2B #2
thx Stephen
ines cambiasso
i loved it
Jeff #2
 
DJ Stevy D at work
NancyWhite 1
 
Silent exit... quietly tip toeing back to the corner.
ines cambiasso
 
thank you Nancy
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Frances Bell
 
thanks Nancy
siavogel
 
Thanks all. Bye.
Jeffrey Keefer
 
Bye Sia
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Cris2B #2
 
thanks for shaking things up, Nancy
NancyWhite 1
Obrigada for inviting me. That INVITATION thing!!
Mark
Thanks Nancy.
Sheena
Thanks for all of your time this week Nancy and to the guys for bringing us together!
irene
Thanks Nancy, you really are speaking from the heart, that's where I think the most learning lies (for you and for others)!
John
I found you folks by accident today -- please post link to rejoin you later
Jeffrey Keefer
Thanks, Nancy. Quite engaging.
Remember, drinks are on me!
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vhaustudent 3
thanks Nancy!
 
 
Thanks..I will check this session recording !. Tah^s for sure!