Hello all again.
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dave cormier  4:03
mic :)
perfect  4:03
Cris2B  4:03
Lisa Durff  4:03
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dave cormier  4:04
whatever that might be :)
Neo-Liberalism.  4:04
Cris2B  4:05
so hard to hit a moving target. Context is changing, evolving each day
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Cris2B  4:05
maybe good multitaskers are really good microdecision-makers
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Joe Dillon  4:06
You talked yesterday about productivity not being your "God." Would you characterize this as a 20th Century ideal?
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Michael Berman  4:07
is the fact that it's enjoyable count for something?
Lisa Durff  4:07
does it matter whether it is more at once or switching between many?
Nancy White  4:08
Dropping this URL now (not on point) because I don't want to forget to share it. http://emergentcities.sebpaquet.net/ -- Seb's patterns seem relevant to the larger conversation of this week.
Ben 1  4:08
sometimes the brain seems to go on automatic... this is my experience being a distracted driver, looking up to notice that I haven't paid the road any concious attention in what seems like a a couple minutes
Joe Dillon  4:08
It seems there are some implications for research about backchannels and their impact on learning.
Linda  4:08
gorilla test
Cris2B  4:08
@Nancy -- thanks
Lisa Durff  4:08
remind me to stay off the road when you are driving Ben
Michael Berman  4:09
Howard Rheingold  4:09
Cris2B  4:09
yes, I'd have probably missed the gorilla ;-)
dave cormier  4:09
frank  4:09
me to
dave cormier  4:09
is this the article?
Nancy White  4:09
Waving, Howard
You can show the video on screen share if you want  4:09
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Ben 1  4:09
Is anyone going to keep a list of links today?
dave cormier  4:10
@ben you wanna?
Ben 1  4:10
sure :-)
dave cormier  4:10
@ben excellent.
Ben 1  4:10
(since I'm not driving right now)
dave cormier  4:10
Lisa Durff  4:11
thank God!
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dave cormier  4:11
I love this blog post. http://mrsgw.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/student-comfort/
Lisa Durff  4:11
hey schinker!
Cris2B  4:11
But we can cultivate "mindfulness through metacognition" -- so those of us all over the place can have the best of both;-)
dave cormier  4:11
about how attention is connected to spaces
Lisa Durff  4:11
reflective practice
Nancy White  4:12
This is why I do yoga. To experience at least a little bit of time that is not flitting around as I am flea-like.
Michael Berman  4:12
is it better to try to change the way you work to a different mode that might be better, or is it better to optimize the effectiveness of the way you naturally work?
George Hobson #2  4:12
Point is that we are all different, have different learning needs, have different attention - it is natural to assume all are like us - so 5% can multitask is believable....
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Howard Rheingold  4:13
Cris2B  4:13
See I think moderating a session is the height of multitasking and many can improve with practice until they are extraordinarily talented. Right, Dave? ;-)
Nancy White  4:13
I do see the gorilla. I do lose my phone and keys. Heh
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Howard Rheingold  4:13
Seegmiller, Watson & Strayer (2011) Individual differences in susceptibility to inattentional blindness. The Journal of Experimental Psychology: Learning, Memory and Cognition.
Lisa Durff  4:13
but isn't more a question of focus not multi tasking?
dave cormier  4:13
@cris2b there's no doubt that practice does help that one :)
Lisa Durff  4:14
maybe our definition of multi tasking is incorrect ?
Cris2B  4:14
Is it a question of flexibility -- mind flexibility not backbone?
Ben 1  4:14
@Nancy re:yoga it also builds power of focus and maybe attention capacity
Lisa Durff  4:15
butlers are good for keeping track of phones and keys...............
Howard Rheingold  4:15
Proust and the Squid
Nancy White  4:15
@Ben, and helps counter too much time in front of the computer. The meta pattern here is working with polarities or tensions, eh? ;-)
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Lisa Durff  4:15
I need a butler
Nancy White  4:15
Howard Rheingold  4:15
Reading and the Brain
Lisa Durff  4:16
Sebastien 1  4:16
George Hobson #2  4:16
Brain plasticity => brains can rewire, we can train to be better, we can train to multitask better, perhaps only a little, but worth a try
Cris2B  4:16
Miedema encourages us to not forget the power of slow reading -- http://litwinbooks.com/slowreading.php
Howard Rheingold  4:17
Lisa Durff  4:17
Geetha Nara....oh the spelling....urges us to use slow learning
Gerry  4:17
Young wild turkeys who have never been with a "turkey" mother know to avoid rattle snakes.
Michael Berman  4:17
similar to learning the read music and play an instrument
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Lisa Durff  4:18
hi Lane!
Cris2B  4:18
so reading is a "tool that shapes us"
dave cormier  4:18
John Schinker  4:18
It's scaffolding. You put the pieces together, and use them as building blocks.
Lisa Durff  4:18
no reading is a tool
it is our thoughts that shape us  4:18
Lisa M Lane  4:18
hi Durff!
Michael Berman  4:18
reading is a more a medium than a tool
Lisa Durff  4:18
audio is a medium then  4:19
as is video  4:19
Michael Berman  4:19
I think so
a microphone is a tool  4:19
Ben 1  4:19
When I've watched kids learn to read, it looks like it's innate
Cris2B  4:19
@Michael & Lisa -- writing is a tool for sure and I think reading to. All has to do with defining tool. Thinking back to John Dron
Lisa Durff  4:19
so the thoughts generated by the mediums are what shape us
Michael Berman  4:19
I guess I think back more to McLuhan and Kay...
Cris2B  4:20
@Michael -- gotcha. Literary man and all that ;-)
Ben 1  4:20
strength in diversity
dave cormier  4:20
i've never known if the color blindness thing is true.
i should say 'true'  4:21
George Hobson #2  4:21
10k years ago I would have wanted ADD people to be guarding my tribe
Lisa Durff  4:21
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Cris2B  4:22
Shlain would argue that reading has not been totally positive for changing our brains -- http://www.amazon.com/Alphabet-Versus-Goddess-Conflict-Between/dp/0140196013/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325704884&sr=8-1
dave cormier  4:22
"At one time the U.S. Army found that color blind people could spot "camouflage" colors that fooled those with normal color vision"
"Any recessive genetic characteristic that persists at a level as high as 5% is generally regarded as possibly having some advantage over the long term, such as better discrimination of color camouflaged objects especially in low-light conditions."  4:22
Lisa Durff  4:22
Kae Novack?
John Schinker  4:23
I think the US Army is lying to you, Dave.
George Hobson #2  4:23
Got to go - will listen to recording... thanks Howard and all.
dave cormier  4:23
Cris2B  4:23
"literacy is inherently social" -- Gordon Wells
Lisa Durff  4:23
conveying meaning via a medium -> literaxy?
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Lisa M Lane  4:23
some are just good at doodling around on the web
Lisa Durff  4:24
oh that's me
dave cormier  4:24
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John Schinker  4:24
@cris2b sounds very David Wiley.
Cris2B  4:24
Donald Leu has found that some students actually read better on the Web. So even different literacies online and off.
dave cormier  4:24
I think of the history of painters/artists
Lisa M Lane  4:25
@Cris2B read better? does that mean retain more, read faster, or...?
Lisa Durff  4:25
remix the meaning?
Cris2B  4:25
@Lisa -- hi there. Happy New Year! Yes, read as in successfully in all senses. Will get link.
Jaap  4:25
My greatgrandfather did not write and read much, he had a focus on sea and ships
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Jaap  4:25
reading and writing was not the only focus possible.
dave cormier  4:26
Lisa Durff  4:26
but he was comprehending within his chosen medium
Lisa M Lane  4:27
thx Cris! and happy new year to you :-)
Cris2B  4:27
@Lisa -- think this will do it --www.newliteracies.uconn.edu/docs/RT-62-4-Mokhtari.pdf for some readers, the tactile-kinesthetic nature of Web helps engage
dave cormier  4:27
In the 13th century (in the west) the church made hard distinctions between 'arts of the mind' and 'arts of the hand'... I wonder if we're coming back around to combining them a little
Nancy White  4:27
Visual practice has CHANGED me. All caps. No question.
dave cormier  4:27
As @jaap would say, there are other options.
Joe Dillon  4:27
This type of feedback dominates middle school writing instruction. Teachers gravitate toward errors.
Lisa Durff  4:27
define arts of the hand
Howard Rheingold  4:28
Now You See It
Lisa M Lane  4:28
@Nancy me too, but if I don't use it I lose it pretty quick
dave cormier  4:28
More questions for Howard?
Michael Berman  4:28
was reading/writing as "the" meaning for learning inevitable, or was it a political/economic choice, perhaps going back to the Middle Ages where the priest held "The Book"?
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Cris2B  4:28
@Joe -- errors seem more concrete -- more rule-bound and easier to assess than what good writing is.
dave cormier  4:28
@doug! how's that mobile phone working?
Lisa Durff  4:28
hi doug!  4:28
Michael Berman  4:29
I meant medium rather than meaning
dougsymington 1  4:29
hey @dave & @lisa--mobile == fail
Michael Berman  4:29
so reading was a spiritual and liberating act
Joe Dillon  4:29
@Cris2B I'm interested in the type of feedback blogging gives students compared with the feedback they encounter in schools.
dougsymington 1  4:30
actually able to connect from within corp firewall--surprising and exciting!!
Howard Rheingold  4:30
Printing Press as an Agent of Change  4:30
Lisa Durff  4:30
we have reframed the meaning of political influence with the reformation - I don't mean Democrats vs Republicans
John Schinker  4:30
Good to see you, Doug.
Cris2B  4:30
Question: You spoke yesterday of "cultivating social capital" and commented on not knowing how to change education. Do you think that it's so hard to help teachers as a group become more Web literate because teaching is by nature more conservative and teachers feel they have little power to contribute to change?
Lisa Durff  4:31
dougsymington 1  4:31
Hi @John, you too. Been a while. All the best in 2012!
Lisa Durff  4:31
@Cris2B or teachers are plain lazy
Howard Rheingold  4:32
Nancy White  4:32
I keep thinking of Linda Stone during this conversation. She has been sharing a lot of interesting links in her tweets lately.
Lisa Durff  4:32
mine has not
dave cormier  4:32
mine hasn't changed.
Nancy White  4:32
Jaap  4:32
Neveruse Google
Lisa Durff  4:32
Joe Dillon  4:32
mine hasn't changed either.
Michael Berman  4:32
In its brief history, computing as a medium has had a tension between priestly and centralized models vs. personal and decentralized models
Beth Wellman  4:32
@Cris2B this article today in NYTimes addresses some of these issues http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/technology/idaho-teachers-fight-a-reliance-on-computers.html?pagewanted=all
Michael Berman  4:32
Thanks Howard for your comments
Cris2B  4:33
@Beth -- thx so much!
Nancy White  4:33
She just tweeted this http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/1035/imaginary-worldplay-indicator-creative-giftedness.pdf (and yes, email apnea... I notice when I do graphic facilitation workshops, you can hear people breathe. It is very cool.)
John Schinker  4:33
In Chrome, you can check the options -- make sure "Enable Instant for faster searching" is still checked.
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Cris2B  4:34
yep, teachers often conditioned to play it safe
Jaap  4:34
Safari did change this search thing Firefox did not
dave cormier  4:34
I would say that education is primarily normative... not about knowledge
Joe Dillon  4:34
Interested in how blogs and microblogs have replaced newspapers to a large degree, but there are specific literacy skills involved in reading twitter and the blogosphere. This strikes me as an important developing literacy gap.
Lisa Durff  4:34
Palloff and Pratt (2007) note that online learning communities are the sum of six pieces: people, purpose, policies, computer systems, collaborative learning, and reflective practice (p.17). Could education be changed by targeting one piece - and then, which one?
Cris2B  4:35
Wolfram has written that English teachers have it toughest because they have to teach to perpetuate the culture while teaching students to think critically and evolve the culture.
Nancy White  4:35
@Lisa... those seem to charactarize very institutional online learning communities, no?
Lisa Durff  4:35
The reference is Palloff, R.M., & Pratt, K. (2007). Building online learning communities: Effective strategies for the virtual classroom. San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.
Jaap  4:35
We do follow teachers for years, they do change and do use more digital media.
therese  4:35
I'm enjoying Howard's insights - he's a breath of fresh air!
Lisa M Lane  4:35
too many students and not enough time may be more important restrictions than power problems
Cris2B  4:35
that's right -- propaganda and viewing skills
Michael Berman  4:35
@Lisa the term "virtual classroom" says a lot about their perspective
dave cormier  4:35
always with the communism
Lisa Durff  4:36
@Nancy so this MOOC doesn't contain those pieces?
Howard Rheingold  4:36
Deschooling Society
dave cormier  4:36
sure does.
Jaap  4:36
USA seems a littlebit conservative??
Nancy White  4:36
@Lisa, my intution is that they may contain those pieces, but they are not shared across all of us. So one person's purpose may be quite different than another. My reading of P&P suggests that these six things are intended to be shared by all participants.
siavogel  4:37
My collegues are changing the last 3 years. Slowly, but for sure...
Cris2B  4:37
@siavogel -- so you're building social capital ;-)
Lisa Durff  4:37
@Nancy but there IS a purpose
dave cormier  4:37
we've tried it... doesn't work much.
Nancy White  4:37
@Lisa, is it shared? Or suggested...
dave cormier  4:37
How about INTERACTIVE WHITEBOARDS they solve everything
siavogel  4:38
chrisB, think so :-)
Michael Berman  4:38
I didn't even know this was a "class" - I just saw a tweet and jumped in
Lisa Durff  4:38
@Nancy but you suggest that P&P infer the same for all participants?
ljp  4:38
educational institutions are effective for most students. That is why they are hard to change.
Jaap  4:38
@Dave, the whiteboards help for certain
Beth Wellman  4:38
link for idaho article http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/technology/idaho-teachers-fight-a-reliance-on-computers.html?pagewanted=all
Howard Rheingold  4:38
Matt Richtel
dougsymington 1  4:38
@dave you're onto something with those IWBs :0
Joe Dillon  4:38
I think that technology can help us look closely at network principles, which can help change the ed system
Lisa Durff  4:38
oh I'm doomed
dave cormier  4:39
@doug sure. but you used to sell them.
Michael Berman  4:39
@howard yes a false dichotomy!
Nancy White  4:39
My read of them @lisa is that they see it as shared. I'm suggesting that there are options beyond having those six things the same for all participants. I used to be really strong on "shared purpose." I am much much less certain of that value today.
kwhobbes  4:39
@Dave IWB's are expensive whiteboards! Money better spent for other things.
Nancy White  4:39
Ha, we are all doomed! And not. ;-)
Lisa Durff  4:39
I would agree Nancy
dave cormier  4:39
@kwhobbes sorry. i was being sarcastic. i don't like IWB
Lisa Durff  4:40
not with doomed, though we are
Michael Berman  4:40
@Nancy I agree - isn't learning most powerful when the learner creates his/her own purpose?
Jaap  4:40
about 80% of schools do work with IWB's in the Netherlands
siavogel  4:40
Lisa Durff  4:40
with shared pieces
Cris2B  4:40
Great example of teacher advocating teaching 21st literacies -- http://mindshift.kqed.org/2011/12/life-in-a-21st-century-english-class/
Jaap  4:40
digiatele schoolborden @Sia
Beth Wellman  4:40
In K-12 - how about the role that students can play in these scenarios?
dave cormier  4:40
Why do we teach?
ljp  4:40
Also, people look at the classroom and say it hasn't changed; however, what occurs in the classroom certainly has changed.
Ben 1  4:40
IWB = interactive white board
kwhobbes  4:40
@dave - I know! That's why I mentioned that!
Joe Dillon  4:40
I agree about empowering teachers. I think the potential to "unbundle" courses and curricula is something that is possible now but wasn't before.
siavogel  4:40
dacht ik wel dank @jaap
dave cormier  4:40
Lisa Durff  4:40
and in higher ed Beth?
dougsymington 1  4:40
IWB are tools, and can be mis/used like any other--education is still as good/bad as the individual educator
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Beth Wellman  4:41
@lisa - definitely!
Cris2B  4:41
taking tests can be learning to play the game
Lisa M Lane  4:41
and learning to play the game can be a smart thing to do
Ben 1  4:41
love that quote: "I was so good at Standaradized tests that for a long time I thought I was a lot smarter than i really am"
Cris2B  4:41
@Lisa -- Amen
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Lisa Durff  4:42
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Lisa Durff  4:42
for whom?
the status quo?  4:42
Michael Berman  4:42
@howard I have had a very simlar journey
dave cormier  4:42
and once you have those skills you are 'ready'
Lisa Durff  4:42
tested - why?
siavogel  4:42
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ljp  4:42
I really like what interactive white boards allow me to do easily. For instance, if students can't find a term, I can look it up and put it on the white board. Demonstrating resources and how to use them. There are other ways of doing this. The IAW does it better.
Jaap  4:42
your mike and phones are open
dave cormier  4:43
yay Taylor.
kwhobbes  4:43
@dougsymington1 - yes, just like any tool. Tendency of usere of IWB to not expand beyond the basics - learning to use takes time.
Lisa Durff  4:43
lines - what about circles?
Joe Dillon  4:43
Key to consider whose hands interact with the IWB, especially at the price.
Lisa M Lane  4:44
dropping out would give you more time to invent things tho
Jaap  4:44
testing is a way to manage teaching: learning for the test is inevitable and leads to changee in education in schools
Lisa Durff  4:44
so what IS coming?
Cris2B  4:44
@Lisa -- I like spirals -- ancient symbol for progress rathern than straight line
Lisa Durff  4:44
oh that is good!
connectivism in the classroom?  4:44
dougsymington 1  4:44
@kwhobbes agreed. 99% of IWB are glorified projection screens--I still maintain my inability/ignorance regarding tools is my fault, not that of the tool
Nancy White  4:44
Open Space Technology
http://www.openspaceworld.org  4:45
See also the work of Peggy Holman  4:45
Sebastien 1  4:45
Lisa Durff  4:45
picking out what resonates for the individual
Michael Berman  4:45
@doug if 99% can't use it effectively than there's something wrong with the tool not the user
Beth Wellman  4:46
a circle is a line around some space - Kevin Ayres
kwhobbes  4:46
@dougsymington1 - I agree. All technology is just a tool - it can be used for greater good or nothing. It's about the people and that is why it's important to work with teachers - it's the people not the tools.
Howard Rheingold  4:46
JGA  4:46
Why are the most closed \govt. educational models in terms of open access to education, the very ones that are most committed to hierarchical educational philosophies?
ljp  4:46
If you think IWB are a pain in the ass, you're doing it wrong. :)
dougsymington 1  4:46
@Michael there's a difference between won't and can't, I'll suggest
Nancy White  4:46
Peggy's book, Engagine Emergence http://www.amazon.com/Engaging-Emergence-Turning-Upheaval-Opportunity/dp/1605095214 - she looks at some of the patterns around engagement
JGA  4:46
top down...
dave cormier  4:46
@ljp i think they're a PIA
Lisa Durff  4:46
IWBs are tools like hammers are tools - it is what one does with them that is important
Nancy White  4:47
Re power and how to play with it. See Eva Schiffers Netmap Toolbox (url in a sec)
JGA  4:47
ahhh, responsibilty and power...very good.
Lisa Durff  4:47
yes would like that url
kwhobbes  4:47
ljp - not a pain in the ass but not the best use of limited $ imho
Nancy White  4:47
http://netmap.wordpress.com/ - with ideas about how to make power visible and discussable.
Lisa Durff  4:47
Cris2B  4:47
So teacher prep and helping pre and inservice teachers learn with power can be part of solution
Jaap  4:47
siavogel  4:47
Lisa Durff  4:47
oh chill
dougsymington 1  4:48
and far be it for me to defend any technology--like education itself, it's the social connection (or lack thereof) that defines ALL learning, across environments
Lisa Durff  4:48
Nancy White  4:48
What kind of chocolate helps you focus your attention, Howard? ;-)
Lisa Durff  4:48
Beth Wellman  4:48
I teach preservice and they are frequently relunctant to assume the power that I offer them in class.
Lisa Durff  4:48
lots of it
Nancy White  4:48
Lisa, YES!
Howard Rheingold  4:48
Guittard dark
Lisa Durff  4:48
siavogel  4:48
milk with nuts, mmm @nancy
Cris2B  4:49
Thanks for your response to the teaching question. Enjoyed discussion and spin-offs
dave cormier  4:49
Ben promised to take the URLS
Ben 1  4:49
links are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hMRKBWWoBBbjCPJkMwpLuqWh1B596cenIghIQYADmhc/edit?hl=en_US
but not much context!  4:49
dougsymington 1  4:49
how transferrable are social skills in f2f environments to those online?
Cris2B  4:49
@Ben -- thx
Lisa Durff  4:50
observe those diagnosed with Asperger's
there is no corrolation (sp?)  4:50
ljp  4:50
Until I had them available, I didn't see any purpose for IWB. However, they let me integrate internet resources into the classroom on an ad hoc basis that allows me to meet student needs immediately. I'm not much for big applications -- just facilitating the process.
dougsymington 1  4:50
Lisa Durff  4:50
never had one
John Schinker  4:51
Is that the IWB, or just having a projector?
Jaap  4:51
a IWB is connected to your computer and to internet
Lisa Durff  4:51
I am not normal in any sense of the word
JGA  4:51
@dougsymington1 to me, very different but I am older than most in this forum. I think lack the "hip" language of online culture and also haven't understood how to substitute the bodily language skills with online.
Cris2B  4:51
Online socialization can help students practice and develop their academic selves so learning to participate, cooperate, and collaborate online could help offline.
Lisa Durff  4:51
ethical participation is key
dave cormier  4:51
Lisa Durff  4:52
on any platform
Nancy White  4:52
"I am not normal in the sense of the word." Love that. Amen, sistah
Lisa Durff  4:52
dave cormier  4:52
@lisa pretty normal to me :P
kwhobbes  4:52
what exactly is normal?
Nancy White  4:52
@JGA I wonder how old everyone is. Interesting thing to wonder about.
Jaap  4:52
did you ever meet a normal person?
Joe Dillon  4:52
will this be on the test
Lisa M Lane  4:52
I don't think "normal" would get us enough chocolate.
dave cormier  4:52
Nancy White  4:52
Ah, I had not made the chocolate association. Critical
siavogel  4:52
It was great to be here again @howard. Thanks so much... Thanks all others also ofcourse...
Lisa Durff  4:52
@dave you know that is not true
Nancy White  4:52
dougsymington 1  4:52
"the trouble with normal is, it always gets worse" Bruce Cockburn
siavogel  4:52
And.... I am 62...
Howard Rheingold  4:53
I am 64
Nancy White  4:53
I am 53
John Schinker  4:53
I think there's a lot of pressure to maintain the status quo by the students, parents, and teachers who are good at playing the "school" game.
Lisa Durff  4:53
I am 12
dave cormier  4:53
most of us are.
Cris2B  4:53
Normal people are usually boring. Probably eat too much catsup (Garrison Keillor) and not chocolate ;-)
dave cormier  4:53
@lisa that explains much
Lisa Durff  4:53
in SL
dave cormier  4:53
JGA  4:53
@nancywhite...perhaps I should substitute with online literacy, regardless of age, rather expererience...is experience, or time on task the most critical determinate of success?
Lisa M Lane  4:53
thanks all!
Ben 1  4:53
Another interesting and enjoyable session, thanks Howard!
Sebastien 1  4:53
Tks. As always wonderful.
Michael Berman  4:53
Ironic that schools of education used to be called "Normal Schools"
Lisa Durff  4:53
virtual applause
Jaap  4:53
Howard Rheingold  4:53
John Schinker  4:53
Thanks, Howard.
Sheena  4:53
thank you again
Paul Carson  4:53
Thank You Howard!
Nancy White  4:53
Thanks, Howard!!
Cris2B  4:53
Thx to Howard, Dave, and the marvelous backchannel ;-)
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frank  4:53
thank you!!
Beth Wellman  4:54
Jaap  4:54
sounds like a train station
John Schinker  4:54
(and Dave -- both both of of you you )
Ben Harwood  4:54
Thanks so much, Howard!!
Linda  4:54
Thanks, Howard, looking forward to your book
gjoyce  4:54
Thank you Howard and Dave, again.
Michael Berman  4:54
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kwhobbes  4:54
thanks Howard! And Dave!
dougsymington 1  4:54
yes thanks Howard, and all, glad I was able to join
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JGA  4:54
Thank you Howard. You are amazing but that doesn't begin to explain it all. Come back to our MOOC.